Welcome to the Psychedelic Conversations Podcast!

Episode 104: In this episode, we discuss Joël and Victoria’s background story and what led them to working in the psychedelic medicine space, their observations of the Psychedelic Science conference that took place in Denver, the latest updates on their Five-MeO platform, details regarding the process of FDA approval, the ideal research needed for 5-MeO-DMT, important insights on harm reduction, the process at Tandava retreats, the neurological reasoning for reconditioning after a psychedelic retreat, if 5-MeO-DMT can be microdosed, their future and current projects, and so much more!

00:00 – Fire Moment

03:16 – Joël’s Background

04:56 – Victoria’s Background

07:06 – Conference Observations

12:59 – Their Five-MeO Platform

19:26 – The FDA Approval Process

24:17 – Ideal Research For 5-MeO

27:40 – What Is 5-MeO-DMT?

31:16 – DMT YouTube Video’s

33:43 – Harm Reduction

37:04 – Tandava Retreats

40:12 – Reconditioning After Retreats

45:53 – Can 5-MeO Be Microdosed?

48:21 – The Unpredictability Of 5-MeO

49:50 – Current, Future Projects

53:19 – Last Words Of Wisdom

54:49 – Outro

About Joël:

Joël Brierre is the Founder and CEO of the psychedelic wellness companies Kaivalya Kollectiv and Tandava Retreats. Joël has been a pioneer in the modern psychedelic movement, specifically in the realm of 5-MeO-DMT and the Bufo Alvarius toad. His unique approach of applying classical non-dual yogic philosophy as geography for both preparation and integration from the entheogenic experience gained attention around the world at the first WBAC (World Bufo Alvarius Congress) and continues to shift the landscape of psychedelic use.

Joël works specifically in the retreat setting and with over a decade of experience, has curated a container that is meant to facilitate lasting change. Drawing from a combination of eastern, as well as neurofeedback, and other contemporary western integrative practices, these retreats give participants a space to safely unfold, address trauma, undergo cathartic release, and have the support system to hold them through the whole process.

With a heavy focus on integration and aftercare, participants are able to create lasting change and find deeper states of peace than they thought conceivable. Joël and his team at Tandava are raising the bar for psychedelic and wellness retreats, with a flagship center in Tepoztlan, Mexico.

About Victoria: Victoria’s first introduction into the world of healing was through plant medicine, she has been working with different psychedelic plant medicines over the span of a decade, with both indigenous and modern teachers. In 2016 she set out to complete her Yoga teacher training in Bali, which allowed her to gain further insight into the different lenses used in spirituality. Choosing to continue her education to best support others, she enrolled in a year-long psychedelic integration training where she chose to specialize on the 5-MeO-DMT integration process. Deeply intrigued by Joseph Campbell’s work, she studied the Hero’s Journey at length and later applied it as a geographical lens in her work to assist participants to effortlessly move into their own innermost workings.

Victoria is the founder and president of Kaivalya’s education platform F.I.V.E (5-MeO-DMT Information and Vital Education). Her mission at F.I.V.E is to provide the world with a centralized hub for all resources and education on 5-MeO-DMT, in hopes of bringing awareness to the ethics, integrity, and the safety of 5-MeO-DMT.

Connect with Joël & Victoria:




  / joel.brierre  

  / sacredsurrender  

   / @five-meo.education  

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